The Difference Between a LVM and HVM: High Value Men and what it means to be one

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There's no shortage of men who write us off saying we all just want a guy who earns seven figures and has a six pack and a jawline that could cut diamonds, and we'll be lonely old cat ladies forever because of it. Maybe that is what you're looking for in a man and if that's the case, girl, go get it. But High Value is more than that and it's more subjective than that.

High Value means high value to you, personally. A man who adds value to your life rather than subtracts from it. A banker with a penthouse may look high value on paper, but if your vision of your future is a cottage in the country where you can sit on your porch and watch the sun rise over the mountains, he's not going to bring that value to your life. If your greatest source of joy is travelling- getting overnight trains and waking up in another country, exploring new cities on foot, making friends from all over the world in backpacker hostels- then a successful entrepreneur who can't take much time off work won't be able to share that with you. This is why it's so important to know yourself, your dreams, your sources of happiness, so you can know if a man will be able to share those with you and add to them, rather than dulling or taking them away completely.

True high value is specific to you so you need to know yourself to know when you encounter it, but there are some qualities that all men who can be considered high value have in common.

  • He needs to be respectful. That bears repeating, he needs to be respectful. Respectful of your boundaries (sexual and otherwise), your emotions, your time, your dreams, fears, and ambitions. He needs to hold you in the utmost regard and if he doesn't do that, he is not high value. That means no repeated behaviours that make you vaguely uncomfortable or stressed, no off-colour comments about you to friends or relatives, no looking down on your career or personal goals, no teasing or jokes that you have to convince yourself are funny. He should be helping build you up rather than wear you down.
  • He needs to be financially responsible. Note that I didn't say wealthy, because wealth doesn't mean he'll treat you well and it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a happy life with him. It also doesn't mean he's financially responsible, there are countless pro athletes who've made millions and gone bankrupt in the space of a few years. Whatever his pay grade, your potential partner should be able to budget and live within his means, pay bills on time, save for the future and not take on unnecessary debt. Mortgages (and student loans if you're American) are difficult to avoid unless you're the 1% and fine as long as they're being paid off on schedule, but he shouldn't be racking up credit card debt, overdrafts, or small loans for things he could have just saved up for. He should also have no problem with you earning and having your own money (this goes back to respect) and I strongly advise against ever becoming totally financially dependent on a man. On the subject of money, he should also have no problem with you earning more than him.
  • He should be attractive by your standards. Again, maybe you want a dude who looks like life breathed into an ancient Greek sculpture of the perfect male form, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. But maybe you like slim guys rather than shredded, maybe you like stubble, or a lot of tattoos, or softer facial features. Being over 6' tall gets memed but I don't like men who are too much taller than me, it's inconvenient. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and theres no one way for a person to be attractive. But he should be attractive to you, don't try to force yourself to be into someone just because you feel like you should give them a chance.
Your partner should genuinely make you happy. You shouldn't feel like you're giving up your dreams or selling yourself short to be with him, or hope that the work you're putting into the relationship now will pay off some unspecified date in the future. He should be easy to be around, and have a similar vision of the future so you can share your life with him rather than have your life revolve around his. Whether you want a high-earning career, or to have children and spend a lot of time with them, or sell handcrafts and live out of a van, a man who is high value to you will live those dreams with you and enhance them, not require you to reconsider everything you want so you can fit unobtrusively into his life. And he should always he proud of your successes, supportive of your struggles, and happy for your happiness.

And remember- high value is not a status that's granted early on and then rescinded if he turns out to be a douchebag. It's easy for a guy with ulterior motives to be on his best behaviour for a few dates, or even months or possibly upwards of a year if he's trying to trap you in a relationship. Some abusers don't really turn on you until after the wedding when they're sure you're stuck. Vetting is an ongoing process, don't let red flags slide and never be afraid to admit you misjudged someone and walk away, you're never in too deep to decide a relationship isn't working for you.
 

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This is the best definition of a HVM I’ve ever read on this sub. The idea of a HVM fitting into this canned identity of rich, six pack, etc etc is nice but it plays into some stereotypes so it’s great to see it explained this way. Thank you!

The idea of a HVM fitting into this canned identity of rich, six pack, etc etc
That's the pickme/society idea of the "most perfect man" - which has been proven time and again as totally BS because rich douchebags who doesn't have anything to offer other than money are everywhere.

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It's part of the male power fantasy too. You see it right here on reddit, dudes writing fake revenge against women stories always describe themselves as 250k per year gymbros with no mention of any other positive traits, like that's all they need to be desirable.

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250k per year gymbros with no mention of any other positive traits, like that's all they need to be desirable.
They really believe that's all they need to do - they lack the ability to do a deep introspection on themselves, instead just choose to believe the stereotype that "all women wants money and abs, if I get those I will get all the girls!" and rage when that didn't turn out to be true.

Well scrotes, newsflash - having money is not a personality.

They can't comprehend that women are human, and dealing with human is NOT like dealing with game characters where everything is simple and linear.

Scrote seriously think bragging about how much money they have and the extravagant things they do and the influential people they know are somehow attractive to a potential date.... Like calm down dude, this is not a networking event.

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Just want to amplify your message for the rich scrote lurkers:

HAVING MONEY IS NOT A PERSONALITY

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This. After dating 6' tall men with money who treated me not so well, I found my HVM in a 5'10" baby-faced guy 6 years my junior, who drives an old car and dresses kinda funny. He's everything I've ever wanted in a man and I never thought I would ever find, and he treats me better than anyone ever has. I didn't care much about his lower paying job and fell in love with him and then he told me about all the savings he has, which is is why he appears so frugal. But he is absolutely not frugal with me, has taken me on countless dates and paid for them all even though I've tried paying, and he makes a lot of time for me. We are both more of the free spirit types so material stuff isn't as important as being able to adventure and just enjoy good food and drink. HVM absolutely has everything to do with what you listed and nothing to do with money or looks. The scrotes simply love to be victims so they keep that illusory truth alive instead of being good people, living a good life, and just waiting to find love like a lot of people have to (and some never find it, or later in life like myself). Bitterness is very unattractive. Women are not the problem. Most of us just want someone we connect with, are attracted to (and that is very individual), and who is a respectful, good human being.

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Seriously, we are NOT the problem. Congrats OP, but your comment made me think of my past...

This morning i thought about all the men I’ve dated. There’s only been 4 men that I’ve dated from 19-39 years old, and each one did me dirty and was the cause of our dating or relationship ending:

-#1 wanted me to change religions, I said no and we broke up.

-#2 was initially a friend i ended up dating. I really liked him, but he dumped me for his best girlfriend “fuck buddy” because i wouldn’t have sex with him after 2 dates. We did foreolay but they wasn’t enough for him. He tried to come back to me after his BFF dumped him, but he was shit to me then and I was already dating #3...

-#3 was my ex husband of 9 years(15 years total if u count dating). After the baby he eventually got tired of not having sex on a regular basis (I had health problems) and he cheated on me, divorcing me and marrying his mistress 1 month after our divorce.

-#4 is an on again off again relationship. He got insanely jealous when I started dating others in our “casual dating” phase and proceeded to catfish me and do other things to traumatize me. Still trying to recover from this.

...so I’ll say it again: seriously, it’s ALL THEM. Like 90% of men are just evil and selfish. While i do realize that I do have codependent issues and became the ”fool” in these situations due to being too gullible, I’m about to turn 40 now, and am working on taking a break from these behemoths. Those HVM out there are a dime a dozen, so IMO we’ll all he better off to work on ourselves and maybe, JUST MAYBE, one day a HVM will come that will just be a good person that we can love and greet us like actual humans instead of play dolls they can just throw away.


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Aw I’m happy for you! Where did you find this guy? I just like to poll and see if women tend to find HVM irl more so than online

A: Thank you! Met him very unexpectedly at a friend’s boyfriend’s bbq! There were only about 6 of us there because of covid fears. I am still in shock that I found him but they are out there!

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I reeeeeaaaally don't trust online dating. We have enough issues with men misrepresenting themselves irl without giving them an online platform to paint themselves in the best light possible (often blatantly lying) and because you don't meet organically there was never an acquaintance or friend stage (so you don't know if he's the type of asshole who won't give a woman the time of day unless he wants to fuck her) and since you don't know anyone in common there's no one to contradict the curated version of himself that he wants to portray.

You also gotta ask yourself: if this is a HVM, why did he have to turn to online dating to find a partner? HVM are in very high demand. Unless he has a really specific hobby and you met through an enthusiast website or something, I find the concept of dating a man you met online a questionable enterprise.

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I also like how this definition makes you know yourself. It's easy to rattle off a bunch of traits, but what will fit well into the life you want for yourself? If you're not sure, maybe you have to take some more time exploring and leveling up.

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Whatever his pay grade, your potential partner should be able to budget and live within his means, pay bills on time, save for the future and not take on unnecessary debt.
My ex (who's in his late 20s) only had a part time job (he said his goal was to work his way up to a full time position which would be a huge pay bump but he has a plethora of issues so eventually he'll sabotage himself) and didn't make very good money. I forced myself to overlook it, telling myself that a man didn't need to be wealthy to be good for me. I make my own money and I can take care of myself. I didn't want to be shallow or come off as a gold digger.
But it wasn't really how little he made that bothered me, it's how he spent the little he made. No savings. He'd mentally spend his money in irresponsible ways before he'd even get it and for some reason he liked listing it out for me. "[insert amount] is going towards the cable (that he didn't even watch because he prefers streaming sites), [insert amount] is going towards streaming sites (2 out of 3 he never really watched), I really want fresh sneakers (even though he already owns 30 pairs that're barely worn), so [insert amount] will go towards that. And then I'ma need to get [insert amount] of bud."
Anything left over would get spent frivolously on stuff like takeout because he was too lazy to cook. He actually went on a rant once because his mom wasn't cooking for him "even though she's home all day" (her workplace was closed for a few months during the beginning of the pandemic and then when they reopened it was with reduced hours). It goes without saying that he still lives at home, lol. And then half the time his account would be in deficit, so large chunks of his paycheck would get eaten up reconciling that. He only has a neobank account because the real bank account he has is in bad standing and no other bank will let him open an account with them.
Guess who has two thumbs and ended up paying for shit 90% of the time? Guess who never received a birthday present, even though they said they'd gladly accept anything thoughtful and to not spend a lot of money?
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This is sooo true.

Like, the ideal guys physique for me? Would be at least a little feminine (I'm bi). Short and thin, that's cool! (In an ideal world, I'd be interested in role reversal aspects, but we'll.... most dudes seem to take it as a way to have their cake and eat it.)

But that's small potatoes compared to personality. I want a guy who doesnt expect me to morph into some excellent homemaker, and drop my dreams to be some stay at home mother/wife.

I want a guy who doesnt treat me as lesser because im autistic.

I want a guy who has his own dreams- and is actively engaging in getting there!

It's not much. But because its something its too high- standards for pickmes haha.
 
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