I wrote the "80% of women are equal in value to 20% of men" post that was mentioned in the podcast.

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I wrote the "80% of women are equal in value to 20% of men" post that was mentioned in the podcast.
A while back I wiped out most of my post history because scrotes were combing through my old stuff to try and dox me. I'm reposting the one about the 80/20 rule, lightly edited to redact some personal info. This was also one of my most controversial posts. The male tears were INCREDIBLE. It got reposted to all of our stalker subs, including the pedo incel furry diaper anime-profile-pic one, where they urged their users to mass report everything I wrote for "misandry" so... enjoy 😂

Title: "Female hypergamy is a lie. The reality is that 80% of women are equal in value to 20% of men"

The manosphere likes to point to studies such as these as "evidence" that women are hypergamous.

The definition of hypergamy is forming sexual attraction only to those with higher status, better looks, and just overall higher value than themselves.

According to the manosphere, the reason why "average" (translation: ugly) men such as themselves struggle to attract women is because "80% of women only go for the top 20% of men" instead of going for their "looksmatch" (meaning someone of equivalent physical attractiveness), which they claim unfairly sidelines ugly average men.

This belief relies on the assumption that both men and women have a similar distribution of attractiveness and overall value.
This assumption is false.
The reality is actually much simpler: only the top 10-20% of men are equivalent in value to 80% of women.
Let that sink in: The average woman is quite literally just more attractive than the average man.

Don't believe me? Go to [REDACTED] and compare the men vs women who are rated 5/10. The women who are fives are all gorgeous, the men who are fives look like trolls.

As a bisexual woman, I'd say approximately 40% of women in my area meet my standards of attractiveness and personal character, whereas maybe less than 1% of men meet the exact same standards.

The average woman I know (at least in my social circle) has a face and body that is nice to look at, puts effort into her appearance, a warm and inviting personality, good emotional intelligence, at least some education and a job, a clean and well-decorated home, basic life skills such as cooking and time management, a wide variety of interests and hobbies, and a compassionate, loving, and high empathy nature.

In contrast, the average man nowadays is quite literally the opposite of what I just described. Dad bod despite no children, ugly face, puts zero effort into their appearance, contrarian and offputting personality, poor emotional intelligence, no education and minimum wage job (or no job at all), lives in moms basement or with roommates, filthy living space with zero attempt at interior decoration, struggles with basic life skills, their main hobbies are porn and video games, and a nature that is domineering, hateful, misogynistic, and lacking in empathy.

When held to the same standard, it is so obvious that there are far more high quality women than high quality men. The reality is that it is men who are hypergamous. The male sex is the one most likely to pursue a partner with superior value.
By acknowledging this reality, so many aspects of dating culture just start to make sense:

Why are men so desperate to be with women whereas women are just kinda "meh" about men? Because women have more to offer men than vice versa. Men benefit from relationships more than women.

Why are men more obsessed with sex than women? Because women are AMAZING and having sex with women is AMAZING. Whereas men are "meh" and having sex with men is "meh" [Edit: I considered redacting this one because it got flamed for being "homophobic against gay men" which is a ridiculous accusation because this is a women's dating sub. Our audience is women. We aren't having sex with gay men. This paragraph is obviously not about gay men and I'm obviously not commenting on the quality of gay sex. Like, duh. 🙄 This feedback was just incels tokenizing gay men because they wanna get this sub banned.]

Why are women so much more picky than men? They only go for the top tiny percent of men, but men seem happy with just about any woman? It is natural for women to expect to be with someone of equivalent value as themselves, and it just so happens that only the top tiny percent of men have equivalent value as most women. In contrast, men are happy with "just about any woman" because even "average" looking women are still quite pretty, whereas "average" men are not.

Why should men pay for dates? To show his date that he is high value, and therefore capable of adding value to her life. Women have so much more apparent value than men that it is practically a self evident fact that women don't need to go into the first date trying to prove their worth. Whereas men have a much worse proven track record and therefore must put more effort into courtship to prove themselves.

Why are women these days so wary and untrusting of men? Because we know. A woman is more likely to improve a man's life, whereas a man is more likely to ruin a woman's life. Women give men joy and pleasure, whereas men give women trauma and pain. So, women need to be careful.

What are the implications of this?
First of all: Ladies, know your worth. Don't ever let anyone make you feel ashamed about having high standards. Don't EVER let a man convince you to lower your standards for him. You are an amazing human being just the way you are, and you deserve to be with another amazing human being!

Second, this means that there are going to be a lot of lifelong single high value women, and lifelong single low value men (provided that women stick to their standards and refuse to date down).


This is already a growing trend in recent decades. Intelligent and accomplished women are realizing that most men have little to offer them, and that it is better to stay single than to settle for a LVM. Meanwhile, there's an army of incels, redpillers, and MGTOW dudes who are forever alone because they are too low value.

This is a reality that is difficult for many people to accept. Humans are social creatures after all, and it is completely normal to crave companionship and intimacy.

Unfortunately, our society's romanticized idea of men is largely a fantasy. The men you see in romance novels and hollywood movies do not exist in real life. Most men IRL just want to dominate and use women, and are willing to deceive us and pretend to be HVM as a means to that end.

Sure, there are a small number of genuine HVM, but revolving your life around finding a HVM is like making a budgetary/financial plan that is dependent on winning the lottery. You can have a wonderfully happy life without winning the lottery, and you can live a wonderfully happy life without a HVM.

You may never find a HVM, and that's okay, your life will still be complete without a man.
Lastly, I just want to acknowledge that this whole post is probably really hard for most men to wrap their head around. Their misogyny tells them that women have no inherent value, so the notion that most women are actually above them just does not compute. In general, it is really hard when someone holds up a mirror and you don't like what you see. I expect that most men reading this are just gonna end up doubling down on their misogynistic worldview, because it is easier to believe comforting lies and blame everyone else but themselves, rather than admit that they are flawed and commit to self improvement. Oh well 🤷‍♀️
 

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This is so true; the average man does not even begin to meet the standards of the average woman. And it's not because our standards are too high, it's because most men are absolute trash and belong to the streets. That's why they are not getting dates.

They need to improve themselves if they want to share their life with a woman. We don't need them, not financially, not to have a family, not to pay for anything. Basically, it's THEIR job to show us how our lives will be better with them in it. We already know that their lives will be better: They will live in a cleaner, more stylishly-decorated home. They will eat better food. The bedlinens will always be fresh and nice. They will get regular sex.

What do we get? More housework. A manchild who won't wipe his own butt. More laundry. What is he bringing to the table to make up for that? He'd better be paying ALL the bills, keeping his body tidy and fit, and giving me great sex if he wants to be part of my world.

Otherwise, I'm happy as a clam at high tide, living exactly as I please, and with no one to worry about but myself. A nice, caring partner would be a bonus, but I'm sure as hell not accepting any low-value scrote who thinks that a ring gives him license to break out the low-effort behavior. I'm not even tolerating that B.S.!
 

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Excellent breakdown!

At the end of 2019 or so, I was coming to the conclusion (in my mid-30s) that I am asexual. I was realising that the reason that I go months at a time without seeing any man that I think is attractive may not be because that are in fact unattractive (after all, a lot of women seem to have no problem dating them), but may be due to the fact that I just don't have a libido. I was content with this conclusion. I was happy to go out into the world and just focus on my errands, friends, hobbies etc instead of looking for (hoping to see) a guy that was attractive to my sensibilities.

Then in the middle of lockdown last year, I discovered kdrama... and I realised that I WAS NOT asexual. Lol!!!!

I had just been starved of seeing men in good shape and well groomed and even though my conscious mind was not aware of the reason, my subconscious mind was and was having none of it. That was all! It was great to see aesthetically pleasing members of the male sex and I have thoroughly enjoyed it.

I'm perfectly aware that there's a whole bunch of misogyny - https://www.feministcurrent.com/202...ns-movement-we-are-not-flowers-we-are-a-fire/ -

(and racism) inherent in that culture too so I'm not jetting off to try and find any sort of prince there, but the fact that there are men in their 30s, 40s and beyond who don't have pot-bellies which they proudly sport, remains a breath of fresh air for me. Finally, I can look at visually attractive members of the opposite sex! Yay!

I'm starting to think maybe western men keep themselves so unappealing as an f**k you to women, to keep standards low and ensure maximal gain for minimal effort.

I am not asexual. I am just not attracted to 99.9% of men I see day to day.

Edit: Thanks for the award, you lovely person! It's my first ever FDS award 😊

Same. The men my age are so gross. It's like most of them have completely given up on grooming and taking care of themselves. They show up on dates in jeans, ugly shoes, and an untucked shirt, and then say shit like, "Oh, I guess I should have dressed up" when I walk in wearing a dress and heels. Clearly, finding a woman to share their life with isn't that important to them; they can't even be assed to put on a sport jacket and tuck in their shirt

I instantly lose interest if they show up like this; if they can't even put out a little, the most minimal effort, to appear presentable, then this date is not important to them. So it's no longer important to me either.
 

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I complately agree. However, the major difference does not stem from the level of attractiveness/grooming. The main reason why 80% of men are low value is:

  1. Men do not invest in self development as much as a woman because they simply believe they are good enough.
A woman inherintly believes she has room to grow because she is much more criticized by her family and by the entire society. It's no surprise that out of 10 books sold, 8 are purchased by women. Women actually put effort to become a better person as a whole. Also, more women go into therapy than men.

2) Men have lower EQ

80% of men lacks social skills, doesn't know how to manage close relationships, has no idea how to apologise, doesn't know how to show empathy, how to communicate, how to BOND with other people etc. They are seriously lacking basic social skills to bond with their surroundings. This is partly because our different upbringings and his sense of entitlement, but also due to biological differences in male and female brain.

That's why when a woman gets in their lives, they start thriving. Because she teaches him how to mend relationships, how to communicate effectively and she encourages him to fully explain himself in an effective manner. And in order to be successful in business& life, you have to master the art of socialization.

Also, low EQ yields them having less close relationships in life. That's why they are boring most of the time. He cannot bond with his camping mates, he cannot let people in and be a whole on his own. He has less interests in social activities. Thus, his only hobby is tinder fucking, porn and gaming.

In addition, you can go to street and see that low eq playing out in strangers' manners. A woman knows how to put her hand in a way, how to smile, how to do daily tasks in normal way within social group. While men pick their noses in public, burps at your face when talking, farts in public places, doesn't know what to do with his hands while talking, unconsciously scratch his armpits or crotch etc. So men have more social anxiety along with MOOORE behavioral problems.

3) Women are perfectionists whereas men do not feel the obligation to be perfect as a society.

In the book Confidence Code, author describes how women are raised to become perfectionists. An interesting anectode from that book reveals how the 2 strongest women on earth are driving themselves to burn-out as opposed to their male counterparts: Angela Merkel and Christine Lagarde, the IMF president. Lagerde tells that she had a talk with Merkel and they realised they both check, learn and practice everything over and over and over again: from back to front, from left to right, inside out and so on. They study their cases crazily in depth yet their male peers don't do that. Men work much less harder than any women. And this makes 80% of them to be less quality than women.

Do you wanna really know why 80% of men have less value? BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING ENTITLED. Because we are not livin in a gender-equal society and we give men more space to be themselves, whereas we constantly blame, criticize and correct women.

See lurkers, gender equality could've made you more quality people.
 
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